Thursday, January 3, 2013
PCAHA Tiering News
South Delta has been moved from Flight 2 to Flight 1 and Burnaby Minor have been moved to Flight 2. The Burnaby Minor move was at the teams request. South Delta was 9-0-3 in the first half of Flight 2 play with 45 goals scored and 22 against while Burnaby Minor, in Flight 1 was 1-10-1 with 17 goals scored and 71 against. It seems as though this will be a good move for both teams in the 2nd half.
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Why wasn't BWC A2 moved up to Flight 1?
Hopefully, Hollyburn and Port Moody have been moved to Flight 2 and Cloverdale bumped down to Flight 3 ... those boys have suffered enough already.
Makes sense. South Delta are competitive with the bottom two thirds of Flight 1 and Burnaby will get some success in Flight 2.
Sure, SD can play flight 1 on their record. Looks like poor coaching on this team will be the difference. Still have parents on the bench making decisions.
Will be interesting to see South Delta in flight 1. We may see a new coach for this team soon as the current one is not happy about moving to flight 1. Guessing he liked the winning in flight 2 and some parent adoration. Come play with the big boys!
Can someone from South Delta comment on the new coach possibility, I've heard this also.
11:19 AM
I think BWC's A1 coach nixed that idea.
Hollyburn will probably be the best team in Flight 2 over the last half. Port Moody will do well too.
2:12 PM
South Delta should have competitive games with all but the Winter Club teams, and possibly Semi.
January 4, 2013 10:04 AM
I believe the association is replacing the staff to be more suited competitively with flight 1.
I agree Cloverdale should be flight 3. Why do these moves take so long?
Is this the same South Delta team that attended the Edmonton Bantam Invitational Tournament after Christmas? That Delta team had little success against Bantam AA teams. I am not that familiar with the Tier 1 league in BC but would think it has to be better than AA.
11:19
BWC A2 move up? Are you another delusional parent from that club? Kid late cut from A1 perhaps? They had an average Flight 2 record, did not dominate any games as highest score was 5-2. They would get wiped in Flight 1 and how fun would that be for the team?
South Delta will be in tough but they seem up for the challenge as long as they understand wins will be few and far between. Will Tilsley hype continue in Flight 1 when up against bigger and better players?
The separation in flight 1 comes after the 2 clubs. Looks to me by teamlink that the next best team record is Semi who only won 6 of their 12 games. So lets stop thinking that anyone other than the clubs are awesome. Time for the others to work on being third!
Of course I am not including the stupid sportsmanship points which have become the joke of the PCAHA.
Be prepared South Delta to be attacked by the parents of this blog. You have made it into the world of the crazies. Now your kids will be fair game also. Nobody cared about you while you were in flight 2 as you were rarely seen. Good luck to you and watch out for the side swipes.
That said, you will need that new coach. Nobody runs 3 lines up here.
I congratulate South Delta for making it to flight 1 and wish them every success. But from what I see they will have to play more competitively not to be embarrassed. Goaltending is not strong, defence average and forwards vary greatly (I hear that some played house last year). They also only have 1 strong prospect who seems to be under utilized. This team could be out coached quite easily. Just stating my observations from the recent tournament.
I don't really understand how the South Delta A1 Bantam team was given to this coach. As I understand it, he is paid and there were a few other much more qualified candidates who were overlooked. Smells a bit funny to me. This is an important year for some of those kids, not a year for training coaching staffs.
Burnaby minor is not moving down to tier 2, where do you get you infoormation from ? This has happened on mulitple occasions that what you wrrite is untrue.
Please get the facts straight before posting inncorrect information.
Now Burnaby is back in tier 1.
League is a total joke.
Play 3 30 minute periods, get rid of sportsmaship point.
Have real playoffs, best of 5.
11:55am
That was probably South Delta's A2 team you saw in the Edmonton tourney. The South Delta A1 team being referred to in these posts was playing in the Burnaby tournament after Christmas. The team you saw (assuming it was the A2 team and not the A3 team) plays in Flight 4 of the PCAHA.
11:55 AM This is not the same South Delta team that was at the Edmonton Tournament. This is the South Delta "AAA" team. The team that came to Edmonton is in Flight 4. The way I understand the PCAHA tiering system compared to Alberta is roughly:
Flight 1 = strong AAA
Flight 2 = weak AAA
Flight 3 = strong AA
Flight 4 = weak AA
That would make sense seeing how South Delta A2 did in Edmonton against those teams. They were competitive with the weaker AA teams and lost pretty handily to the stronger ones.
January 4, 2013 11:55 AM
The South Delta Bantam A1 team who is moving to flight 1 are NOT the same team that attended the Edmonton tournament. That team was the South Delta Bantam A2 team
1:29 PM
You have zero credibilty. Here's why. You said that BWC A2 had an "average record". Their record was 8W-3L-1T, a 71% Winning record. Definitely not average.
Factoring in those ridiculous Sportsmanship points (and PCAHA does count them), BWC A2 earned 29 of a possible 36 points. That's 80% of available points! That is absolutely the kind of first-half record that typically earns a move up in Flights.
Would they get "wiped" by teams in Flight 1? By the two Winter Club teams, sure. But they'd certainly fair no worse than Surrey or Burnaby Minor in Flight 1.
Flight 1 = strong AAA
Flight 2 = weak AAA
Flight 3 = strong AA
Flight 4 = weak AA
January 6, 2013 10:07 AM
Yes, this is why PCAHA is such a joke. Kids aren't even allowed to try out for a top level team. You have to play on the team where you live. Even if that top team can only make flight 4. With this system the best kid in the province could play at the flight 4 level if your associations registration is low enough. What a headache. This is why you find kids from lower flight areas suddenly appearing on the clubs illegally. Do you blame them!
Everyone turns a blind eye to this but everyone still complains. This continues to make the weaker areas weaker and the circle continues. We now have 7 flights with Langley and Semi having A5 teams at Bantam in flight 7. We all know this is like house league but it make the parents happy to claim their kids play rep. What is going on here. It's like giving everyone at school A's to make the parents happy. This is why WEHP's player rankings are good but slant greatly to the kids on the top teams. One kids ability should be compared with another kids ability, not taking into consideration what level team they are on. Because the facts are that after this year they will all have their fancy named shirts and jackets taken away and all be wearing the same boring tryout jerseys and it won't matter how your team did, only how you can stand up going into the corners with the no named player from the sticks.
January 4, 2013 1:29 PM
Uhhh, ya know yer wrong (likely just lying) about the A2 team’s most one-sided score being 5-2. Fact is they posted a 5-1 Win, and two 4-0 Wins. And their three shutout victories are exactly three more than South Delta earned. South Delta's most lopsided victory was 6-1, and that was against Cloverdale … a team being moved down to Flight 3. Oh, and that same Cloverdale squad also managed a tie against South Delta, a team you seem think is deserving of a move up to Flight 1. But even all that is besides the point.
The fact is BWC A2 earned the right to move up to Flight 1, to face the challenge, and yes to maybe get "wiped" by a couple teams. Obviously the Coach didn't want that. But did he bother to ask the boys what they wanted?
BWC A2 - According to what I can see your team lost 3 games in the first half - simply said, not good enough to move up.
January 7, 2013 9:00 AM
You have to love this post.
Very honest and tells it like it is. Wake up a little parents from flight 1 their are many diamonds lurking at lower levels that may just give your little Johnny a run for his money. Why else is it that only one third of the kids that get drafted ever play there. Think about it. Could it be that they are replaced by others down the line when they are eventually discovered. I bet that there is a kid up north somewhere right now thats out training his butt off, not being driven around in a fancy auto and staying at first class hotels that will knock our socks off over the next year. These gutsy type players with great work ethic get my vote every time. Not the pampered poodles.
SD at least you have Burnaby Minor back.
January 7, 2013 9:00 AM
I am from Alberta. Are you seriously tell me that in BC Bantam my kid would not be able to try out for a top level team? If so whats going on there.
Will Tilsley hype continue in Flight 1 when up against bigger and better players?
January 4, 2013 1:29 PM
I don't think it's Tilsley they have to worry about he will be fine. It's some of the others. They just haven't picked a very tough team from what I saw at the xmas tournament. Some of them still look like atoms.
To January 7, 2013 11:55 AM
Helps when the kid is 6'2" 170 lbs and fifteen already. Those are usually the "diamonds" from small associations.
South Delta will do fine, even if they lose every game. They'll be competitive in a few, with Burnaby, Surrey, Richmond.
Embrace the challenge boys!
January 8, 2013 2:05 PM
Langley played South Delta Tuesday night and won 5-1. Good entertaining game. Difference seemed to be coaching. Flight 1 teams have PP's and SD has none. Regular lines just seem to roll on. We took advantage of this and they didn't seem to notice. Must be frustrating for the kids we know that want to do better. Gingras had a strong game once again and took advantage of SD's slow defence. Tilsley was kept off the scoreboard but was a constant threat and laid down a few big hits.
Jan 8 2:05pm
Did you stop to think that maybe that was the best that could be picked on that team? SD does not have a large pool to pick from. The numbers are very low in tryouts (40 kids). Create 2 teams from that and even after 5 kids are cut to house, SD makes a 3rd team so that kids that played house could continue in a contact league.
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
First of all, I think South Delta will do fine in Flight 1. About the same as Surrey and Burnaby.
Secondly, I think those who are saying a team has to "dominate" a Flight to move up are just plain wrong. It's really no different than the Premier league in soccer. The top two teams move up automatically, and I think the teams as low as 5th and 6th have a chance to move up as well. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Thirdly, with the exception of the two elite club teams there isn't all that much difference from Flight 1 to Flight 2. Some difference, yes. But not much. For example, the T-Birds have LOST to Langley's A2 team, and have LOST to Seafair, and have LOST to Ridge Meadows ... all of which are Flight 2 teams. And the T-Birds are a solid, middle-of-the-pack Flight 1 team. Just because the two Winter Club teams are in a class by themselves does not mean any other teams are.
Fourthly, the whole purpose of "competing" is to be tested, and to get to the next level of competition. Even if that means losing. By good luck or good fortune BWC A2 had a chance to move up. In my mind they should have, simply because that's what being a competitor is all about.
Finally, the BWC A2 coach has a fantastic reputation among the serious hockey people I know, so I'm sure he is doing a great job. That doesn't mean he doesn't make any mistakes, or that he wouldn't like a do-over on this one.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
From what I heard around the rinks the coach told the kids they were not good enough to be in flight 1 and would loose every game he did not want to be there, but did ask them what they wanted to do. Every kid but one wanted to move up. Good luck to them they appear to be a great bunch of kids maybe your coach should stay in flight 2 if he feels that way thats not the attitude of a good coach. Can't wait to play this team if they don't have power plays should be a real challenge!!! Sounds a bit house league to me.
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
Who in their right mind would not want to be in flight 1. Are you kidding me. Ask the kids! What a joke. Parents again calling all the shots. Many other teams would take your place if asked. Crazy crazy crazy! What a weird team!
Anonymous said...
Jan 8 2:05pm
Did you stop to think that maybe that was the best that could be picked on that team? SD does not have a large pool to pick from. The numbers are very low in tryouts (40 kids). Create 2 teams from that and even after 5 kids are cut to house, SD makes a 3rd team so that kids that played house could continue in a contact league.
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
This comment is causing some laughs around my hockey parent filled office this morning. People playing the violin, its quite funny. If you don't want your kid in flight 1 because he is so small move him to flight 2 very simple. Don't spoil it for the other kids. I bet we can all guess which kid is yours.
Anonymous said...
Jan 8 2:05pm
Did you stop to think that maybe that was the best that could be picked on that team?
Yes, many people have stopped to think that. The answer would be no its not.
The BC Parents on this blog should be ashamed. It's nothing but bashing teams, and players and coaches and associations.
Who cares where a team or player or coach wants to play? Or where they play? Or how they play?
Let's just hope that your children that you are raising, grow up to be more respectful and intelligent than you.
I can easily imagine that the South Delta story told above (January 11, 2013 11:26 AM) would be true.
Any rep player worthy of the jersey who would want to move up a notch if given the chance. Even if they suspected they would lose every game.
I'm shocked that the SD Coach may have tried to convince his players they should not take the opportunity. Even more shocked that the BWC A2 Coach never asked his players what they wanted. Brutal.
Jan 11, 11:44
"This comment is causing some laughs around my hockey parent filled office this morning. People playing the violin, its quite funny. If you don't want your kid in flight 1 because he is so small move him to flight 2 very simple. Don't spoil it for the other kids. I bet we can all guess which kid is yours."
Your hockey parent filled office sounds like fun. And I'm not sure what violin you are hearing but I'm assuming you work for an orchestra if you are hearing one? There is no complaining, just stating the facts. And I'm not sure how you just "move your kid to flight 2", but you seem to know so please enlighten. Also, don't know how I'm spoiling it for the other kids - as the team is in Flight 1, where PCAHA moved them to. Is this the spoiling that you refer to?
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
Who are "they".
I would imagine that the vast majority of people on this blog are AAA Bantam coaches, parents, players and scouts. You on the other hand sound like a hockey mom type who has no idea how important it is to some of these kids to show their talents this year. I'm sure "they" would rather be in flight 1 and loose every game than never be seen. I can't imagine that you speak for your team. If you and your son don't want to be there then move over and let another kid get the chance. This would not go over well on my sons team, that parents or coaches made the choice to move up or down flights. I am sure these kids are delighted they have moved to flight 1 good luck to them all.
Anonymous said...
Jan 8 2:05pm
Did you stop to think that maybe that was the best that could be picked on that team? SD does not have a large pool to pick from. The numbers are very low in tryouts (40 kids). Create 2 teams from that and even after 5 kids are cut to house, SD makes a 3rd team so that kids that played house could continue in a contact league.
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
Looks and sounds like they picked a team for next year.Shame for the good '98's left on the A2 team that would help this team. Some parents and coaches entourage are happy though.
We notice South Delta has no power play when we played them in the christmas tournament so we was able to beat them 6-1
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
I thank the hockey gods that you are not a parent on my kids team. I would bet big bucks that not one parent on my kids team would feel this way. House league attitude.
Also, please don't assume that because a team was moved from flight 2 to flight 1 that they want to be there.
January 10, 2013 3:00 PM
Not much chance of assuming that now! You have made it very clear. You, yourself are not very happy.
There are some better kids on the South Delta A2 team than on the A1 team. You can laugh about this comment all you want. Just go and see for yourself. Many would love to have made the cut and wouldn't be complaining about moving to flight 1. Anyone complaining should be replaced. Its where your A1 team strives to be. That simple.
Wow. Got home today and read all these SD comments. I personally know kids and parents on that team and know they are thrilled to be in flight 1. Its what they have been working towards since September. Maybe we have just a few grumbling parents and a lazy coach here.
Bad to tell your kids they aren't good enough.
Good luck to the kids. See you at the rink.
To South Delta coach
If your team isn't big enough or good enough for flight 1 you picked the wrong kids.
If you do not want to play there then the association picked the wrong coach.
Compete or go and play in another sandbox.
Despite the bad coaching SD beat Semi 3 to 1.
Anonymous said...
Will Tilsley hype continue in Flight 1 when up against bigger and better players?
January 4, 2013 1:29 PM
The answer to this was seen last night as South Delta beat Semiahmoo 3-1. Tilsley was clearly the dominant player and met all expectations. Semi may have taken this team for granted and SD took advantage of that. SD's smaller players as expected failed to make any impact. Lots of interest in this game last night, an unexpected outcome.
January 11, 2013 12:54 PM
Obviously you care as you are reading this blog
The two A1 Winter Club teams are in a class by themselves, no question. But after that there isn't all that much difference between most of the teams in Flight 1 and Flight 2.
For example, the T-Birds have LOST to Langley's A2 team, and have LOST to Seafair, and have LOST to Ridge Meadows ... all of which are Flight 2 teams. And the T-Birds were 3rd Place in Flight 1 after the break.
Another example is that South Delta just beat Semi 3-1, and Semi had the third most wins in Flight 1.
These results alone really should put the myth to rest.
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